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Re: Gameplay improvement - need your ideas!

Postby Ferrim » Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:05 pm

Don't feel sorry for them. We Spanish players never had any translations at all :1grin:
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Re: Gameplay improvement - need your ideas!

Postby RacerBG » Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:44 pm

And we, the Bulgarian users, even less... :1laugh:
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Re: Gameplay improvement - need your ideas!

Postby Jops » Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:22 pm

Veedub wrote:If you manage to follow the table above, it shows the default 1998 value, the skill level of the CD and TD, the random factors applied and then the final percentage as a result of the new calculation (there is a +/- variance of 10% due to random factor.). The Bias column is a figure that shows how close or far off the centre of the range figure is from the default value. You will see that the top teams are near enough to the default values used in the 1998 season. But there are some significant variances for the bottom teams, largely because the combined ability of the chief designer and technical director gives a better handling percentage than the default value. So as an example, the new calculation suggests Tyrrell should have a much higher performing chassis given the ability of the staff they have. So should the calculation be changed or should the ability of their staff be downgraded to match their real life performance...
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An interesting point but it's worth looking at those years in context. Tyrell had no money in 1997 and thus despite having fantastic designers couldn't produce an amazing car with limited resources. However the car was regarded as having a good chassis, Rosset was awful and Takagi couldn't stop crashing, for context of real life performance look at the cars they both designed next..

Postlethwaite unfortunately died but had been the man chosen by Honda to take on their 2000 project designing a car in 99.
Gascoyne left at the start of the year to go to Jordan, he oversaw the design of the 99 Jordan which was a fantastic little car.

Likewise Barnard had an excellent reputation at Arrows, but was fired halfway through the year for outrageously expensive designs, whilst the engine was a joke, when it wasn't down on power it was blowing up. The Chassis circuit (Monaco) saw them come 4th and 6th... illustrating just how awful that engine was.

I always feel Nick Wirth should be downgraded as almost any car he has touched has turned to crap.
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Re: Gameplay improvement - need your ideas!

Postby Veedub » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:18 am

Well the good news is that the editor may make it a lot easier to have alternative languages - a decent merge tool could do the majority of the clean up work after a significant edit of the english/comme.txt file.

I found myself thinking further about the lack of commentary slots - at a stretch, it should be possible to have a unique commentary index for 44 drivers (not just 41) but would require shifting of all the indices used for certain sounds by several places. In fact, I'd need to find 15 free slots (3 drivers * 5 sound clips), so that would mean that if I couldn't add them to the end, a lot of sound clips would need to be killed off. The red lines below would seem to be the most infrequently used sounds the game has. I'm not sure I've ever heard those qualifying sounds. Either way, 15 slots is a lot to find and the work is quite extensive to shift all the indices.

>LOSPOS.WAV Lost Position.<
>GAINPOS.WAV Gained Position.<
>UNCLEAR.WAV Position Unclear.<
>QUALX1.WAV Car damaged. Prepare Car 3.<
>QUALX3.WAV Car damaged. Unable to continue.<
>QUALX6.WAV Car damaged. I'm injured but OK. Repeat. OK.<
>QUALX2.WAV Car 3 ready. <
>QUALX4.WAV Bringing Race Car in pits for repairs.<
>QUALX5.WAV Can not repair race car. Repeat. Can not repair car.<
>QUALX7.WAV Driver unable to continue. Sending help.<
>QUALX8.WAV We have stewards' permission to run Car 3 with Test Driver.<
>QUALEND.WAV Qualifying Over. Well done everybody.<
>RECORD1.WAV New Lap Record<
>RECORD2.WAV New Lap Record - Great Work.<
>ENDSTOP.WAV Late penalty. 25 seconds added to race time.<
>FLAGPENQ.WAV Yellow flag ignored. Lost fastest lap.<

>PIT1.WAV Pit Stop problem - jack caught<
>PIT2.WAV Pit Stop problem - car stalled<
>PIT3.WAV Pit Stop problem - jammed wheel <
>PIT4.WAV Pit Stop problem - old wheel still in place<
>PIT5.WAV Pit Stop problem - refuelling hose jam<
>PIT6.WAV Pit Stop problem - car malfunction - driver out!<
>PIT7.WAV Pit Stop problem - fire! Fire! Driver out!<
>PIT8.WAV Pit Stop AOK. Car leaving pits.<


@Jops - a solid history lesson! You make a good point though, is lack of funding the cause of poor cars under great designers. Perhaps that can be factored into the car design calcuation. i.e. the previous years budget (if the game has this figure handy at the time of completing the design work) can influence the quality of the design. If you are Minardi and hire Adrian Newey, your resources may only allow him to develop a 50% car instead of a 100% car. Once you start showing a decent budget year after year, it raises that efficiency level.
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Re: Gameplay improvement - need your ideas!

Postby Jops » Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:07 pm

Literally havent heard a single one of those highlighted
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Re: Gameplay improvement - need your ideas!

Postby Veedub » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:59 am

Yea I'm not sure if the game ever factored in the scenario of a driver crashing in qualifying. For example, what if you entered a car with high wear/damage and then ran out of fuel during qualifying, causing more damage. Is there ever a point where car three is used? And never heard of a yellow flag in qualifying either - as the AI never retires in qually, only the player if they run out of gas. Not sure if that even throws a yellow flag.

Some good news on the commentary front - while the game has 357 commentary items in the text file, it looks like the game allocates space for 370, so potentially, another 13 sounds could be added. Given we need 15 spaces to fill out the extra three drivers we're adding, sacrificing a couple of the red lines, along with the 13 new spaces could get us to 15. Then would come the mammoth task of remapping the lines to the game code and reordering the lines in the file so the game can iterate through 44*5 driver sounds instead of 41*5. At least there is some possibility on that front should we get to that point.
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Re: Gameplay improvement - need your ideas!

Postby Niehoff » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:20 pm

mister Veedub,

the new Chassis calculation has lifted the Game to a new level.
there is one thing that stops the game from be perfect:

The Race calculation.
In the Race, i think 80% of the pace comes from the chassis handling. 10% from the driver and the other 10% are random values like making a driver mistake in the round etc pp. The tyres are some different kind of calculation. The grip is the only thing that matters. The resilience is just important to keep the tyre alive. Temperature and stiffness is something i totaly ignored. It Made no difference on my tests.
so, 80% Chassis, 10% Driver, 10% other Values like engine power, random stuff, line rubber, etc pp.

I can always win a Championchip in just having a good Car handling. I will always win. Even with a Hart engine you win championchips.

But i do believe the engine is a very important part of forumla one. Today even more then in the 90s. But if you look at F1s history, a strong engine was always a very important part of winning Championchips. You always wanted to have Works Engines to push the pace. In GPW, the only thing i do care for Works Engine deals is the Money.

Do you think that we can change the calculation of the race performance and reduce the Chassis Handling value a bit and push the part the engine plays?
It would make a lot of a different game and hiring a 5* engineer is not anymore the major deal. With the upgraded Chassis Handling calculation we got designers and engineers play a part. But with a 5* engineer and a 4* designer, i win you every championchip.

Do you think its possible to change that?
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Re: Gameplay improvement - need your ideas!

Postby enwrong » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:05 pm

Niehoff wrote:
Do you think that we can change the calculation of the race performance and reduce the Chassis Handling value a bit and push the part the engine plays?
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I agree with this part, is there a way that the engine can be worth a lot more? Or is there a way it changes on some tracks more. For eg. I'm not sure what the calcs are atm for overall pace, but the engine and tyres should be worth more towards this, otherwise there isn't much point to these works deals other than the 10 mil :D
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Re: Gameplay improvement - need your ideas!

Postby Veedub » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:04 am

Niehoff wrote:Do you think that we can change the calculation of the race performance and reduce the Chassis Handling value a bit and push the part the engine plays? Do you think its possible to change that?

Yes, most things are possible! But I need two lifetimes! :1laugh:

At the moment, engine power contributes to your "handling performance". If you have a car handling of 40% and an engine power rating of 5 out of 10, then your handling performance is 45%. But remember that you can only use your acceleration (which impacts engine cooling and tyre temperature) and top speed (impacts engine cooling and chassis rigidity) if your engine is strong enough to push to that level (i.e. you need great cooling and rigidity to maximise your engine). The argument is whether a top team should benefit from a handling boost because they have more power in the engine or that their increase in performance should only come through their driver orders. Because as you know, when you play Minardi, your driver orders have to be really low because your engine/chassis cannot handle the demands requested.

But yes, I do want to make it possible to alter the performance influences of the car, engine, tyres, fuel, driver attributes so that we can "better" model each item whether it's 1998 or 2018. :1smiley:
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Re: Gameplay improvement - need your ideas!

Postby Niehoff » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:31 pm

Thanks for the reply. The performance in the races is for me a bit too i-can-look-into-the-future like. I know if i have a handling of lets say 90% and above, iam gonne be champion. No matter what engine or wich driver i got under contract.
That was the reason why i wanted to include the con tract lenght. If ferrari, renault and mercedes have 10 years works deals, it gets harder to beat them. and more realistic. ask redbull :1grin:
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